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Tom Hayden, author of the article “Kilcullen’s Long War” in The Nation, discusses David Kilcullen’s advocacy for a global Phoenix Program, the emerging narrative that counterintelligence is just community policing and nation building, problems with making a 50 year war commitment in a (nominally) democratic country, Mullah Omar’s power sharing proposal and how useless wars are continued simply to avoid defeat.

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